an astounding headline

[winterbadger]

Rove: McCain Has Gone 'One Step Too Far'

No shame or excuse from the McCain campaign, of course, but when the Prince of Darkness says you're evil...

Comments

[wcg.livejournal.com]

Let's be fair here. Rove said that both campaigns have gone one step too far. So if he's saying that McCain is evil, he's saying Obama is evil too.

My interpretation is he's saying that both campaigns have gone too negative and need to get back on their respective messages.

[winterbadger]

Possibly so, but it's pretty remarkable (to me) that he's saying that of both sides, rather than only attacking the Democrats.

[snolan.livejournal.com]

I keep hearing that "both sides are lying" and "all politicians are evil" from multiple sources, and you know what? I am challenging them now.

Usually they are mostly right with this brad sweeping generalization; but in this case we have a rare politician who has yet to be caught in a lie and who is very clearly sticking to the issues. The rare times Obama (and his campaign) attack, they stick to the issues and are specific and accurate about the infraction they are attacking. They continue to attack the infraction and not the campaigner himself...

They are far, far more generous and less negative than I could ever being if facing off against such blatantly narcissistic bastards.

To include Obama and his campaign in these broad generalizations is WRONG. We must start challenging them.

[wcg.livejournal.com]

Please don't be confusing the message with the messenger. My point was that Karl Rove said one thing, and it was being presented as something else. If you want to disagree with Karl Rove, go right ahead. But don't be implying that I'm making the argument that Obama or his campaign is lying when I'm not.

[snolan.livejournal.com]

Sorry, I knew that and failed to express it properly. I was rebutting Rove's full statement where he condemns both campaigns in a clear attempt to paint it all as hopeless.

Sorry, I should have been more clear.

[winterbadger]

Erm, while I agree that the GOP campaign has been much more prone to outright lies and particularly to mean-spirited howlers, Obama and his campaign are not unblemished. In fact, I find your construction rather telling: "a rare politician who has yet to be caught in a lie"? I'd rather have one that never *told* a lie, but I know that's a bit much to ask.

I can't seem to load the www.factcheck.org website for some reason, but go to Polifact and the WP's Fact Checker. You have to search through the latter's entries, but they've give Obama a number of Pinocchios for mistakes, repeating things that simply aren't true, and changing his mind about words that have come out of his mouth later on. Polifact has separate pages for John McCain and Barack Obama; Obama comes off much better, but he has plenty of half true, barely true, and false entries.

Again, Scott, I think you're letting your (understandable) admiration for the man turn him into a saint, a title which he would certainly deny.