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"Let me be very clear. I support the Second Amendment. I've been a hunter all my life," Kerry said. "But I don't think we need to make the job of terrorists any easier."


from an article in the Washington Post

Let me start off by saying that I think Sen. Kerry is taking exactly the right tack on this issue. I don't expect him to take my position on gun control; in fact, I would be upset if he did because I think it would harm his candidacy far out of proportion to any positive effect it would have, either on his chances for election or for the debate over gun rights in the United States. Right now it is too critical to get him into office and remove the Bush-Cheney team than to try to make progress on demolishing the gun lobby. Let's work on one Big Lie at a time, and the Bush-Cheney national security state is a far more crucial Big Lie to take down.

But after admitting that, let's look at his statement. It's perfectly consistent with the debate over gun rights as the firearm lobby has framed it in the last few decades.

Kerry attempts to demonstrate his support for the Second Amendment by citing his lifelong practice of hunting.

But the Second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting. The SA does not exist to protect people's right to a deer rifle, or a 9mm pistol to deter burglars or muggers. The Second Amendment says: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The SA is about preserving the armed power of the militia. That power existed for three reasons. To protect the state and the federal nation from foreign foes, as a supplement to the army and navy of the federal nation. To protect the state against the armed power of other states. To protect the state against the armed power of the federal nation itself.

The SA exists to allow people to carry arms as part of a militia, a public or private entity created and organized for the common defense. That role today is filled by the National Guard. In many states, it is further supplemented by a state self defense force or something actually called the state militia. In the past, such organizations have been privately organizaed and funded and licensed by the state government; I'm sure if states wanted to handle things that way, they still could.

Militias are not, have not been, the modern survivalist ideal touted by many extreme libertarians, every man for himself against whatever evil government exists. If those who favour a broad interpretation of the SA want to reach back into the 18th century mythology of the citizen soldier grabbing his rifle or fowling piece off the wall and hurrying to the village green, they must also remember that those sorts of militias were either whole-community endeavours in which every able-bodied man was *required* to own and maintain weapons (though often these weapons were centrally stored) and *required* by law to attend drill sessions and musters on a regualr basis (though plenty of scofflawing went on, with the same equipment being handed from one neighbor to another or one person taking anothers' place). Self-selecting volunteer militas, and privately financed militias, appeared later, in the 19th century, but those too were licensed and regulated by state government.

At some point in my lifetime, I would love to see an honest, historically based destruction of the gun lobby and their pretense that the Second Amendment exists to protect sport shooters and vigilantes. It doesn't. Let's have a public debate about the ideas that the authors of the Bill of Rights *really* addressed and what those mean for us today, and stop pretending that their words mean something they don't.

Date: 2004-09-13 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robbysmom.livejournal.com
bravo!

(student question: so does that mean we don't have the right to arm bears?)

Date: 2004-09-13 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kevinrtaylor.livejournal.com
Ah, but badgers were armed with mouths, their arms becoming forks, and nobody badgered them about baring their arms. Bears, on the other hand - or paw - were armed (I presume) with arms.
They were thus forearmed and fur-warmed.
Oh dear, this is getting confusing!
Is there therefore for anyone a right to air balms? And has this any bearing on the arms question?
ITWSBT

Date: 2004-09-13 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peaceful-fox.livejournal.com
Just think - I have to put up with this every day! ;-)

Date: 2004-09-13 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kevinrtaylor.livejournal.com
Is that your new badger I see? :-)

Date: 2004-09-13 11:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kevinrtaylor.livejournal.com
I'm glad your badgers are getting on well!
Glen Coe is another of my favourite places.
In fact Scotland is full of favourite places of mine.
Was it suitably misty and atmospheric when you were there?

Date: 2004-09-15 10:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kevinrtaylor.livejournal.com
Stirling Castle and the Wallace Monument are now on my list.
It's a curious thing, but when I lived in the North of England (age 0-9) many of my family holidays were in Scotland, but mainly on the west coast. When I and the family moved to Scotland (age 9-17) the holidays I remember were in the Bournemouth area. Now that I'm in the South of England, Scotland is one of my preferred places.
Having said that, I have still only been back just over a handful of times. Three of those visits have included Glen Trool, where I was a frequent visitor as a child.
http://www.m-j-s.net/photo/scot1997/1997-01-20080100.html
http://www.m-j-s.net/photo/scot1997/1997-01-20080200.html
Water, forest and mountains all neatly packaged!
Just avoid it in July/August. The midges are voracious.

Date: 2004-09-13 07:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peaceful-fox.livejournal.com
Dear gods...what were the chances that I would meet TWO men like you two??????????

Date: 2004-09-13 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kevinrtaylor.livejournal.com
I know, it doesn't bear thinking about!

Date: 2004-09-13 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peaceful-fox.livejournal.com
It's just my cross to bear... :-)

Date: 2004-09-13 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kevinrtaylor.livejournal.com
::worried::
I hope you can bear to cross.

Date: 2004-09-13 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] archivebear.livejournal.com
I certainly hope we do! Armless bears can't hug!!

Date: 2004-09-13 07:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kevinrtaylor.livejournal.com
They certainly can't join the army!

Date: 2004-09-13 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robbysmom.livejournal.com
oh, yes they can; they just might not *want* to. It's gay and lesbian bears that can't tell.

Date: 2004-09-13 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kevinrtaylor.livejournal.com
There are exceptions of course.
Like Ursa Major, who I assume started as Ursa Private - just after he stopped being a Minor.

Date: 2004-09-13 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robbysmom.livejournal.com
Major and minor are different Ursas, of course, though the fact that they shared the Pole-arse caused them to be drummed from the service. Just for the historical record.

Date: 2004-09-13 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kevinrtaylor.livejournal.com
That makes sense. Any record - hysterical or otherwise - needs some drumming.
Is this the incident referred to as the "curse o' the ursas?"
"Nothing could be worser!" said the purser.

Date: 2004-09-13 11:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kevinrtaylor.livejournal.com
No, you're thinking of Jonah.
He wasn't a bear, though he managed to bear being in the whale for quite a while. I bet he was feeling a bit grizzly by the time he came out. I don't know how the whale could stomach it. You know how the miners like to sing in whales? It doesn't do much for the digestion.

Date: 2004-09-14 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robbysmom.livejournal.com
Right, we were talking about Ursas, not Orcas, though you go here to buy the Jonah bear.

http://ourgodreigns.net/holy-bears-christian-church2.htm

as for singing Welsh minors, do they have a national children's chorus?

Date: 2004-09-15 10:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kevinrtaylor.livejournal.com
And I'm assured by beautiful blonde women

Plural? Lucky devil! Though being assured by one in particular is all I need.
I'd just like to point out that it's getting rather cramped down here. Anyone who replies to this reply will find it difficult to breathe in the remaining comumn space. It reminds me of the mouse's tale from Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. In fact, I'd better start using shorter words.
Just a minor point.
;-)

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